tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post114443578318068137..comments2023-10-20T11:18:35.696-04:00Comments on on coffee: Soothing Ourselves to Death - Colsononcoffeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11247590396091771981noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144690227968158782006-04-10T13:30:00.000-04:002006-04-10T13:30:00.000-04:00This article was a breakpoint back a couple months...This article was a breakpoint back a couple months ago. I'm not a regular listener but caught it when someone else brought it to my attention.<BR/><BR/>I more less like Chuck and find he often has some good things to say. In this case I think he let his emotions get the best of him and take things a little to far.<BR/><BR/>That being said he does raise some good points. I personally don't think the song "Draw me Close" is one of the stronger worship selections. By the same arguements and logic you're using Mike, you could justify a lot of secular love songs to be sung at church. That being said I don't think the song is necessarily wrong, but it definitely could be better.<BR/><BR/>He also does a good job of pointing out the danger of mistankening entertainment for worship. I think this is very valid and something we need to be aware of.<BR/><BR/>I guess I'm saying although the article isn't gospel, I do think there's some good things to be gleaned from it.<BR/><BR/>I must admit I'm a bit surprised that a guy who could find enough good in the sacreligious McPassion flick can't find enough good is this article to justify it. (That's an attempt at a dig)....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144679496198014352006-04-10T10:31:00.001-04:002006-04-10T10:31:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144679491338607222006-04-10T10:31:00.000-04:002006-04-10T10:31:00.000-04:00Mike,I had the same problem with the article at th...Mike,<BR/><BR/>I had the same problem with the article at the end. Whatever Colson meant by 'propositional', it seems to me that he is missing an important part of the whole thing, namely story. It's not just that A,B,C are true, but the relationship of A,B,C and how those things play out through history(narrative). I appreciate your comments here...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144556190468502572006-04-09T00:16:00.000-04:002006-04-09T00:16:00.000-04:00Good question KevinColson says: "But the gospel ab...Good question Kevin<BR/>Colson says: "<I>But the gospel <B>above all else</B> is revealed propositional truth—truth that speaks to all of life.</I>" <BR/>A couple of comments:<BR/>1/ It's not just the word <I>propositional</I> - which, in the way it has often been used theologically, seems to be more focused on truth as a set of propositions than Truth as the person of Jesus.<BR/>2/ It's the words <I>above all else</I> that worry me. Yes, you are right in pointing out the propositional statements, but as the old saw goes - God sent his Son, not just a book. Now I am hoping that Colson's understanding of propositional truth is broad enough to include the historical, narrative, time-space event of Jesus Christ, the express image (eikon) of God who came, died and rose again.oncoffeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11247590396091771981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144552350411829912006-04-08T23:12:00.000-04:002006-04-08T23:12:00.000-04:00Taking the Merriam Webster definition of propositi...Taking the Merriam Webster definition of proposition as "an expression in language or signs of something that can be believed, doubted, or denied or is either true or false", it is interesting to note that "The gospel is not propositional truth", "God loves us", "God made his dwelling among us", "We can know God," etc., are all propositions. <BR/><BR/>Without endorsing the rest of his points, I think Colson is right to call the gospel "revealed propositional truth" if he means it in this sense. After all, the gospel is "good news" and news conveys truth. Of course, these truths describe and lead us to a Person (or Persons!) who loves us. And because he loves us he has revealed certain truths to us: truths about himself and us.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what is so upsetting about calling the gospel propositional truth; perhaps you are using a different definition of "propositional" with different connotations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144495353266563482006-04-08T07:22:00.000-04:002006-04-08T07:22:00.000-04:00You know which buttons to push. At best this is a...You know which buttons to push. At best this is a 'seeker song' (someone looking to get right with God). It is hardly a worship song for/of someone who is confident in their identity of who they are in Christ and where they truly are in the Kingdom of God.<BR/><BR/>Draw me close to you,(If a believer, He cannot be drawn any closer...He is your Life (col. 3.3-4, Gal. 2.20)<BR/><BR/>never let me go. (He said He never leave or forsake us -read you Bible)<BR/><BR/>I lay it all down again, (pal you were crucified with Christ and now living in your true spiritual identity which is alive in Christ) <BR/><BR/>to hear you say that I'm your friend.(Someone hasn't appropriated his identity as a son/daughter of God, in Christ)<BR/><BR/>You are my desire, no one else will do. (Well who can argue with - You are my life sounds more theo correct - directionally okay)<BR/><BR/>No one else can take your place, to feel the warmth of your embrace.<BR/><BR/>Help me find the way, bring me back to you. (ahhhh, who moved? God didn't)<BR/><BR/>You're all I want. You're all I've ever needed.<BR/><BR/>You're all I want. Help me know you are near (A Christian who may want to check their pulse or check out!!!).<BR/><BR/>There are so many sad so called worship songs...my very favorite vomit rides is "Tell me the stories of Jesus, I love to hear...things I would ask Him to tell me IF HE WERE HERE" IF HE WERE HERE...does he sneak out for some pizza and beer every once and a while...does He take a little nap...NO HE IS OUR LIFE!<BR/><BR/>Worship songs, choruses, hymns cease to be worship songs when believers fail to know who they are in Christ! Can I get an Amen from the Choir or have they gone for wings and beer!<BR/><BR/>I use to lead worship music on prayer night. I created a duotang of almost 100 songs. I went through it and took out those that contradicted scripture - who we are in Christ, who God is.<BR/><BR/> have maybe 25-30 songs of worship left. It saddened me. Some of the music, licks, are great but the words are tripe and stupid. No self respecting God would put up with this kind of carnal blabbering verbiage. He gave us a brain...He gave us His life...Engage. Question the so called worship that comes out of your mouth on Sundays or at prayer meetings. <BR/><BR/>You might also want to check out how you pray. It should be thanksgiving. It should be worship. It ought not to huge petitions to change your circumstances, even if it is greater than a hangnail. Paul told us to rejoice - thank God where ever He has us.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13996416.post-1144480137220616442006-04-08T03:08:00.000-04:002006-04-08T03:08:00.000-04:00Obviously you've never been to church in Lethbridg...Obviously you've never been to church in Lethbridge.<BR/><BR/>Here are two of the <I>zero theology content</I> churches:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.thegate.org/" REL="nofollow">the Gate</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://soulsurvivor.ca/index2.html" REL="nofollow">Soul Survivor Canada</A><BR/><BR/>These two alone have turned me off of church completely. They lack God. And <I>draw me close to you</I> is common tripe at their services.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, but I've got to agree with the catalyst which set Colson off. Church sucks; stop dragging God down with it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.com